When you hear “go for a run”, what do you think? Is it three miles around the neighborhood? Does it need to be at least an hour or it doesn’t count? Do you picture nothing, because you “can’t run”?

On our latest episode of the Packcast, Nike Running Global Head Coach Chris Bennett joins us to explain what going for a run really means. It wasn’t what we thought. And it changed the way I approach running, which was from barely ever at all, to gearing up for a trail half-marathon.

Listen in below for one of the best conversations I’ve had about running, meditation, and the intersection of the two.

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The body performs best when the mind is at ease. That’s why we’ve teamed up with Nike Running to create three Audio-Guided Runs. Go to the Nike Run Club app to try one out.