This week on Radio Headspace I host our first round table conversation with two incredible guests who I feel very lucky to have on the show.

With the launch of our new Depression pack, I’ve been thinking about how and why we talk about depression in the public sphere. This episode, Talking About Talking About It, features comedian, writer and mental health campaigner Ruby Wax who is currently on tour with her Sane New World show and joins us from a studio in London, and Paul Gilmartin, host and creator of the Mental Illness Happy Hour podcast, who joins us in our Los Angeles studio.

A quick word of warning: this is a frank and open conversation, and there’s some language that some listeners might find offensive.